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 Posted: Sun May 13th, 2012 16:55

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Large material
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzR8VwyzAgc&feature=related

Youtube channel of the doctor, check out all his videos, amazing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSDkJEF9aBY&feature=relmfu

Wheat contains amylopectin-A - complex sugar that is very well digester into simple sugar, and raises blood sugar even higher than table white sugar.It means it has high glycemic index and feeds out th1 bacteria better than most sugary fods. It is then stored as fat and makes u obese.

Other chemicals he discusses are Gliadin, gluten, WGA - wheat germ agglutinin .

Dr William does not know why wheat avoidance produces such a dramatic improvement for many people, in their breathing symptoms, asthma and many other symptoms.

I could write longer post, but videos describe the subject at best .

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 Posted: Sun May 13th, 2012 17:05

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Omitting wheat and dairy products improved health
Today


http://www.dadamo.com/media/delaware.pdf

just an example of a testimonial

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 Posted: Sun May 13th, 2012 20:14

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Thank you Wrotek,

I'm very glad to know about this.

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 Posted: Mon May 14th, 2012 10:27

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Me too, we need to keep blood sugar levels low not to feed bacteria. Low glycemic food(that causes smaller blood sugar raise) is best. Also i would suspect avoiding stimulants like caffeine and nicotine, which both cause decreased insulin sensitivity and rise adrenaline and blood sugar levels, should be excluded as well.

I wonder how Eating Wheat rich base food, after which You consume coffee and smoke cigarette, would increase blood levels :)

I suspect this would make great for cardio vascular system, since diabetic people have tremendous problems with blood circulation.

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 Posted: Mon May 14th, 2012 17:10

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I am gluten intolerant and own Dr Williams’ very interesting book.

I have followed a GF diet for over two years now , and the difference it has made in my life, is immeasurable.

The first improvement I noticed, was much better liver enzyme levels, and then all IBS symptoms slowly got way better - no more cramping, constant diarrhea, bloating etc.

I have managed to keep my sugar levels ( am pre- diabetic) under pretty good control ( if I do not cheat with chocolate etc!), without any meds.

I sleep better.

Not sure if my breathing has improved yet - I still cough a lot, but I am able to work, exercise a few times a week and lead a very normal life.

I think the book is definitely worth a a read, even if it sometimes a bit extreme. I do eat GF bread - buckwheat, quinoa, rice etc, but not in large amounts. I found great teff wraps at my health store, which are great for work lunches. I keep my carbs low, though, especially at night.



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 Posted: Sat May 19th, 2012 12:50

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Kas, do You avoid other starchy, amylopectin-A containing foods ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylopectin

Starch is made of about 70% amylopectin by weight, though it varies depending on the source (higher in medium-grain rice to 100% in glutinous rice, waxy potato starch, and waxy corn, and lower in long-grain rice, amylomaize, and russet potato, for example). Amylopectin is highly branched, being formed of 2,000 to 200,000 glucose units. Its inner-chains are formed of 20-24 glucose subunits.


Many sources advice to eat complex carbs instead of simple sugars. I don't understand why, this complex carbohydrates are readily transformed into glucose. They are like "bombs" of sugar.


Structure of the amylopectin molecule

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 Posted: Sat May 19th, 2012 13:09

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I eat small amounts of small amounts of brown rice . I try and avoid potatoes as much as I can, and I have found gluten- free oats by a company called Frieda, which I tolerate very well.

Since being gluten -free, my lactose intolerance has got better. I can now tolerate natural yoghurt and small amount of cheese ( I buy a delicious lactose- free brand, too), with no problem. I do not drink milk, though, and stick to almond milk.



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 Posted: Sat May 19th, 2012 14:11

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Gluten is one thing, but does not oat contain a lot carbs too ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oat

Oats Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
 Energy 1,628 kJ (389 kcal)
Carbohydrates 66.3 g -
Dietary fibre 10.6 g
Fat 6.9 g
Protein 16.9 g
Pantothenic acid (B5) 1.3 mg (26%)
Folate (vit. B9) 56 μg (14%)
Calcium 54 mg (5%)
Iron 5 mg (38%)
Magnesium 177 mg (50%)
Potassium 429 mg (9%) β-glucan (soluble fibre)  4 g

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 Posted: Sat May 19th, 2012 18:41

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Oats have a low glycemic value, though.



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wrotek wrote: Many sources advice to eat complex carbs instead of simple sugars. I don't understand why, this complex carbohydrates are readily transformed into glucose.

Structure of the amylopectin molecule

  The enzymes attack the dangling ends. Lots of ends --> rapid release of glucose.



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Thank You Jigsaw.
Is this mechanism without control ?
I mean, can it slow down without raising blood glucose too high ?
Or maybe it is pancreas and insulin role ?

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   From fairly distant memory, digestion begins with alpha-amylase in saliva, is stopped by acid in the stomach and restarted in the small intestine by alpha-amylase from the pancreas. The amylase gives mostly maltose (2 glucoses) and maltotriose (3 glucoses) with another enzyme dealing with the branches from amylopectin. Maltase from the intestinal epithelium completes the conversion to glucose which is then actively absorbed by epithelial cells through co-transport with sodium.
   I don't know whether there is any way to slow this down. Remember we want to get the goodies before the microbes do. Calcium is needed for the enzyme action and I think I have read that some forms of cooking can lower GI. Maybe also raise it.



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 Posted: Sun May 27th, 2012 09:44

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Ketogenic diet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkdFkPxxDG8

When You keep carbohydrates under 50g a day, after period of body adaptation (5-6 weeks), Your organism starts to use ketones as a primary source of fuel(for brain and any other organs) and You get rid of body fat.

Very interesting research by Dr Stephen Phinney, MD, PhD



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Perhaps important

Gliadin stimulates human monocytes to production of IL-8 and TNF-alpha through a mechanism involving NF-kappaB.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15280021

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Wheat gliadin is the triggering agent in coeliac disease. In this study, we documented that proteolytic fragments of gliadin, in contrast to other food antigens, induced interleukin (IL)-8 and tumour necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) production and significantly increased interferon (IFN)-gamma-induced cytokine secretion in human monocytic line THP-1 cells. Stimulation with gliadin resulted in elevated phosphorylation of the IkappaBalpha molecule and increased NF-kappaB/DNA binding activity that was inhibited by sulfasalazine, l-1-tosylamido-2-phenylethyl chloromethyl ketone and pyrrolidine dithiocarbamate (PDTC). The activation pathway was shown to be independent of the CD14 molecule. Less mature U-937 monocytes responded to gliadin stimulation by low IL-8 secretion, TNF-alpha production was not detectable. We propose that gliadin-induced activation of monocytes/macrophages can participate in mechanisms leading to the impairment of intestinal mucosa in coeliac patients.


Gliadin stimulation of murine macrophage inflammatory gene expression and intestinal permeability are MyD88-dependent: role of the innate immune response in Celiac disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16456012

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Gluten intolerance, can be a very serious thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY3cETFLIN8&feature=player_embedded

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I have not read Dr Williams book, but I went on a Gluten free diet 2 years ago because I have known I have a sensitivity to gluten and I have improved alot. Less GI problems, basically no joint and muscle pain, everything has improved by removing gluten. I also removed sugar and many other foods for a long time and now can add some back. I am using a raw coconut instead of sugar. I also like Dr D'Adamo's Eat Right for your Type. I am type O and notice that things he names I already know I am sensitive to and have reactions so I do exclude that as well. Over time I have noticed that I can now eat some of the foods as long as I don't eat them daily or sometimes weekly. Glad that you have noticed improvement also.



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Kas,you said that you eat yogurt;are you aware that it will cause a massive ip reaction due to the bacteria used to produce it.The immune system does not discriminate between "good" and "bad" bacteria.



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Have you seen Dr. Davis' opinion on the MP?

http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2008/03/the-marshall-protocol-and-other-fairy-tales.html

I know first hand it is no fairy tale :). I will take a look at his wheat info. So far I take a way that carbs are bad, even wheat carbs. Thanks for the links.

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I thought that Fage Yogurt was okay on the MP.
Also the Sheep's Milk Feta cheese from Israel which Trevor had recommended. Has that changed?

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cbay wrote:
Have you seen Dr. Davis' opinion on the MP?

http://blog.trackyourplaque.com/2008/03/the-marshall-protocol-and-other-fairy-tales.html

I know first hand it is no fairy tale :). I will take a look at his wheat info. So far I take a way that carbs are bad, even wheat carbs. Thanks for the links.

-Cbay


Cbay, MP is from the start meant to be low carb diet, to avoiding feeding bacteria and avoiding raising inflammation. Seems like wheat is the "king of sugars" , or at least one of them.

Regarding criticism, check out commentaries.

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December 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm
The only time I went into full remision with my CFS was after two months of rehydration, drinking ca. 2 qts water per day and reducing my coffee consumption two ca. 2 cups. That is all I took: water. I should like to point out documented success with ricketsial infections with pulsed antibiotic therapy lasting * months.


Chlorogenic acid avoidance worked here ?

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