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Deedee
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Posted: Wed Jun 24th, 2009 22:10 |
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I was reading some research papers from the UK on Vitamin D and there was invariably some poor unsuspecting souls that presented with hypercalcemia after D supplementation. That doesn't tell us how many people had their kidneys working overtime to dump calcium before it reached high levels in the blood.
Going back to the "low Vitamin D in African Americans." You know, perhaps the great designer or nature or whatever you believe knows something we don't know. The darker the skin, the less D gets in. I read somewhere that it takes 5 X longer for people with very dark skin to get the same amount of D as those people who have pale skin. Evolution prepared us for the climates we lived in for many many thousands of years, with darker skin letting in less D in sunny climates and pale skin letting in more D where the skies are not as sunny. It is likely that there are other ways we evolved to accommodate the climates we lived in for eons that we don't understand. So the plan is to pump darker skinned people with MORE D because our bodies can't tell us how much D we need but the great researchers can second-guess Mother Nature and correct her mistakes in the rainbows of colors we evolved to become? Please....
Wouldn't it be interesting to test the REVERSE theory, and that is 'how does our supplemented western diet impact people with skin designed to keep D out of their systems?" Could it be that people with darker skin designed to keep D out, would find even moderate (whatever that is) levels of D dangerous to their systems and perhaps even shut down the immune system even more dramatically? These are the ponderings of a woman with too much time on her hands and an over-curious mind........
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 01:23 |
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Deedee,
These are the same people that think there is something wrong with mother's milk because it is D deficient.
They can't be helped. Really.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 03:02 |
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Evolution prepared us for the climates we lived in for many many thousands of years, with darker skin letting in less D in sunny climates and pale skin letting in more D where the skies are not as sunny.
Have you ever seen a quantitative study which showed that statement to be true? I haven't...
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Deedee
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 04:09 |
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The first I heard this explanation was through the National Geographic study on the Human Genome and migration, which was very interesting: http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/humanmigration.shtml
I was very impressed with the 2 hour documentary, Journey of Man: A genetic Odyssey, which is now available on You Tube in 13 part series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4 I believe the information is within this documentary, as well. In the documentary we learn that we are all descendants of Africa and race is really a myth. If you have never watched this documentary, you owe it to yourself to watch it. It is fascinating.
I did find some of the same information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color although there is some unfortunate pro-D bias, it basically says the same thing. There are references posted there.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 04:39 |
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Deedee,
What I am trying to say is that I never seen a study which measures the production of 'Vitamin D' (whichever one they are talking about) in the skins of various tints.
This is the same type of myth as the one saying that mankind needs sunshine to survive - please prove it. A very elegant study in fish showed that neither dietary Vit D nor sunlight are necessary.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9675700
Yet we blindly accept these old-wives-tales because they 'sound reasonable'. It is time to start questioning all these pragma, and asking for real data, good solid (measured) data...
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kenc
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Posted: Thu Jun 25th, 2009 05:57 |
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| I think the choice of what to study, how to study it and how to interpret the results is dependent upon the beliefs that are held by the investigators at the time. These investigators probably believe vitamin D is a vitamin and that we need an adequate amount of it to be healthy. If the investigators started with the Marshall Pathogensis it's unlikely they would do such a study and if they did they would do it very differently (ex. measure both 1,25D as well as 25D). Every study begins with some framework of beliefs. I think real progress is made when the framework is changed. The Marshall Pathogensis provides a new framework for understanding chronic disease. It's amazing how different things look like from this new framework! I see people with chronic disease so differently now. Last edited on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 06:09 by kenc
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 21:15 |
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As I mentioned in my previous email, I asked the manufacturer of the Quintox rodent control product why they had pulled Quintox from the market. The answer that I received today:
"We have dropped two of our three Quintox products in anticipation of the release of our new and improved line of Vitamin D3 based baits, Terad3. Terad will be available in both pellet and in the long requested, block form. In the mean time you can still purchase Quintox Rat and Mouse bait as a bulk pellet form."
I guess that they still like the ability of cholecalciferol to pull calcium from the bones and put it into the arteries and heart of rodents to kill them. I guess that they leave it up to someone else to figure out that is the basis of osteoporosis and granulomatous disease in humans...and maybe, arteriosclerosis, heart attacks and strokes!? 
Oh well!!! My duty is to pay taxes and die. 
Wishing all wellness!
Dark Vader (George)
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Ron
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Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2009 21:41 |
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GeorgeinRollaMO wrote: We have dropped two of our three Quintox products in anticipation of the release of our new and improved line of Vitamin D3 based baits, Terad3.
Very nice..
HERE IT IS in pdf 
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 02:38 |
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My duty is to pay taxes and die
Hopefully you are not focusing on the latter responsibility at this time, George Good to hear from you again
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 04:04 |
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No, Trevor, I am not. Thank you! Just too XXXX busy with some stuff, taking care of living responsibilities, and herxing. I wish that I could report a quantum leap in improvements but I cannot. Just trudging along on the MP.
This is the question that I asked Bell Laboratories today after receiving an answer to my original question to them...."Has anyone there in your organization ever considered to mention to the OMC (orthodox medical community) or TPTB (the powers that be) that the basis of the killing of rodents with cholecalciferol may be what is killing humans by way of arteriosclerosis, heart attacks and strokes....only poisoned with a little bit over a longer time, which accumulates to do its dastardly job the same as arsenic, lead and mercury? Cholecalciferol does accumulate in the body... it has a half life that may be measured in months, according to some sources."
The answer that I received: "Actually most of the rodenticides originally started as pharmaceuticals. Like D3/cholecalciferol, the most popular form of rodenticides are anticoagulants and are derived from the Warfarin molecular backbone. Warfarin is still used quite commonly as a medical anticoagulant. Warfarin was first isolated here at the University of Wisconsin - Madison (Warf = Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation) and quickly became the postoperative and coagulation problem treatment of choice. We worked with the university in the early days to develop warfarin into a rodenticide and later cholecalciferol (the primary developer of Vitamin D3 being Dr. Deluca of UW - Madison.). Like so many things in life, a little is good for you, and a lot, not so good for you."
I decided to leave the questioning there, but IMHO, what is said does give some clues for some questioning that I sure would like to know the answers to. Alumni foundations sure seem to be money raising entities. I wonder.........!
Wishing all wellness! 
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terrylmcc
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 00:11 |
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Today on my local news, ABC affiliate. Had a small story, saying that John's Hopkins study links Mothers with coeliac disease and rheumatoid arteritis, have higher incidence of having children with autism.
Im sure the study can be found at the John Hopkins website. I just dont know where to begin to look. But thought this worthy of mention as it points in the direction of Dr Marshall's work. Thanks Terry
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DNStog
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 00:51 |
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Here's the article, I think:
AutismLinktoAutoimmuneDisease or
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/pain-management/arthritis/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100241504
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eClaire
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 03:37 |
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This new piece of info would do well in the autism thread.
Claire
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Freddie Ash
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 13:47 |
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HI ALL
This is Fred in WV. I will put this info here becasue I believe that this is do to the high vit-D in the diet causing the problem.
A local TV station had a story about a study and also see a rise of children with kidney stones. It said it was 4 fold now. They are having to have kidney stones removed at very young ages 8, 9, 10 even. They had one little boy trying to tell others to not be afraid to have it done. Of course they were blaming it on being over weight.
Remember, we are all in this together and I am pulling for us.
Your friend in Sarcoidosis
Freddie
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Limburg
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Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 16:57 |
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Children do get affected on younger age, also with multiple sclerosis.
The youngest child with an MS diagnose I read off (in the Netherlands) is seven years young  .
Researchers say one of the reasons for this is better equipment such as MRI scanners. Ways of investigations are better documented etcetera.....
What could be other reasons? 
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Ron
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Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 22:51 |
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Moles hold the key to melanoma genes
Both the 'meloma genes' are in table 4 of Wang et al...
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scooker48
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Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 23:03 |
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I have read that "Vitamin D" is low in all dark-skinned peoples of the world; not only those of African-American ancestry.
[size=Vitamin D deficiency is prevalent in infants who are solely breastfed and who do not receive vitamin D supplementation and in adults of all ages who have increased skin pigmentation or who always wear sun protection or limit their outdoor activities.]
[size= ][size=Vitamin D: importance in the prevention of cancers, type 1 diabetes, heart disease, and osteoporosis.] - Holick MF - Am J Clin Nutr - 01-MAR-2004; 79(3): 362-71
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DNStog
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Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 02:55 |
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Fish oil doesn't show Altzheimer's decline. Hmmm, could it be the Vitamin D???
http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/ICAD/15054?userid=173988&impressionId=1247549013855&utm_source=mSpoke&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DailyHeadlines&utm_content=Group1
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Posted: Wed Jul 22nd, 2009 07:11 |
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"Senior research fellow Changhai Ding said the findings are important as they conclude that vitamin D deficiency plays an important role in knee osteoarthritis and achieving vitamin D sufficiency in osteoarthritis patients could significantly delay cartilage loss and the need for total knee replacement."
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/07/21/85781_tasmania-news.html
Also heard this on ABC Radio yesterday.
Sigh.
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Posted: Wed Jul 22nd, 2009 08:27 |
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Achieving vitamin D sufficiency
Well, he sees the connection, and his conclusion has not stated that supplementation would be the way to reach sufficency. There is no reason to give up here.
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