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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 04:15 |
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Sam,
Actually molecular genomics is a precise mathematical science. Unfortunately it brings a newfound precision to the world of medical epidemiology, where the actions of drugs could merely be observed (in clinical studies), and/or guessed at.
With molecular genomics one can be pretty certain of at least the precise actions you are examining.
Back in 2003 I wrote some letters to the British Medical Journal suggesting that Vitamin D's actions may not be all good. Prof. Veith was one of my correspondents at the time, and he made it quite clear that he, and his academic colleagues, would follow each and every paper I might write about Vitamin D, telling the Editors that I was wrong, and that they, the experts, knew that I was wrong, and that my papers shouldn't be published.
So for the last 3 years I haven't written much about the actions of this steroid, except when it was necessary to help you folks recover your lives.
Now I have the molecular genomics data, and it confirms my 2003 view of the Vitamins D. So now I am beginning to publish, and the Vitamin D lobby is apparently taking notice
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John McDonald
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 04:26 |
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5:25AM Stockholm - You certainly are being productive.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 04:35 |
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Trying to get back onto hometime PST, so that I can sleep during the flight and hit the ground running
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Aunt Diana
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 05:24 |
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Bouquets of roses and congratulations to you. It looks like all your hard work is starting to make sense to some people, the right people.
Good luck and please rest
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Morris W. Milnes
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 06:08 |
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Makes me a little nervous to think something as big and powerful as the vitamin D lobby would be out to get us .
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 12:46 |
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Trevor, the hormone D fight may be the toughest battle yet; there is so much liability with linking chronic disease to D.
Sounds like this latest conference was wildly successful Sam
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 14:25 |
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About Prof. Veit anti attitude story- it is fortunate that writing an article about that someone is wrong is not much worth without scientific data presented behing the statement. I also have met funny attitude from science people in high rank of medical community argumenting that "this is wrong and that is it..." saying it without any scientific argumentation. How can anyone argue with such "powerfull " arguments. 
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 16:18 |
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Now I have the molecular genomics data, and it confirms my 2003 view of the Vitamins D. So now I am beginning to publish, and the Vitamin D lobby is apparently taking notice
If the science is irrefutable, isn't it likely other scientists will eventually jump on-board, enough to silence TPTB?
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 16:54 |
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TPTB are making big waves so that other scientist did not swim to island occupied by them and the patients interest is always secondary. I wonder don`t they feel guilt for patients
that ended up in terrible conditions (or died) during the last years when they supressed bringing science to the eyes of the world.Last edited on Sun May 28th, 2006 16:56 by wrotek
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Julia
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 16:55 |
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Eurico, sorry to sound cynical, but that depends who's paying the other scientists
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 17:48 |
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| Trevor, I didn't mean to insinuate that molecular genomics wasn't accurate, but that it is very fluid right now, with discoveries being made left and right.It's very encouraging to hear that others are coming to the same conclusions that you have too. Sam
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 22:17 |
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| I have noticed on karolinska poster that there is no Borrelia patients in Phase 2 "Cohort/Recovery Stats by diagnosis" table. Last edited on Sun May 28th, 2006 22:18 by wrotek
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Posted: Sun May 28th, 2006 23:45 |
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Wrotek,
Many Chronic Lyme (Borrelia) patients are also diagnosed with FMS and/or CFS/CFIDS. I think you can also note that all of the patient groups on that poster are recovering at about the same rate (more or less) regardless of their diagnosis.
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Posted: Mon May 29th, 2006 00:19 |
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| Well if it was a criterium in Poland like CFS or CFIDS i would fit Also FMS.
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Posted: Wed May 31st, 2006 18:08 |
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I just wanted to mention with regard to questions raised earlier in this thread on the relation of our view of vitamin D to previous research, that we do address most of those questions in detail in the book chapter (many are also addressed in other links on this site, but in less detail).
We have been told that the book is coming out soon, but there may still be time to order it with the 40% prepub. discount, Nova Sciences Publisher: Novascience@earthlink.net . And the rest of the questions should be addressed in my conference presentation on June 18 in L.A.
The book: Vitamin D: New Research, Editor Veronica D. Stoltz, Nova Science Publishers, ISBN: 1-60021-000-7, see: http://novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4130
We know our view differs from previous notions in a number of ways, but besides the scientific information, responses to treatment are so much better with reduced D and Benicar than minocycline alone, as shown by many experiences posted on this web site, that it provides strong support for the Marshall Protocol.
Joyce Waterhouse, Ph.D.
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Barbara GABA
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Posted: Sat Jun 3rd, 2006 18:47 |
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Dr. Marshall, re: your comment about Autism, is it assumed that once the damage has been done to a child in their formative years and they are diagnosed with Autism, that the Autism is irreversible? Has there been any experience in treating Autistic children with the MP? What effects were there, or, would you expect?
Many thanks for "fighting the good fight" for all of us who are suffering!
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sat Jun 3rd, 2006 19:11 |
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Barbara,
With the exception of fibrotic tissue deposited in the organs by years of disease, we have seen the body exhibit a miraculous ability to heal itself.
The adults have recovered their brains, their memories, their cognition, decades of their lives. I don't see why we shouldn't expect the same phenomena of neuro-regeneration in children. There is one child, Matt, who has indeed exhibited such a recovery.
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Posted: Mon Jun 5th, 2006 21:25 |
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Trevor,
In regards to fibrotic tissue, I have an area of excess fibrotic tissue just below the skin that's visible on my left side due to a surgery which hurts at times when herxing and appears to be decreasing since I progressed thru Phase 2. It's making my left and right sides look more symmetrical and although I don't know how much of it will go away the MP is definitely helping some, IMO.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Mon Jun 5th, 2006 22:08 |
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Reeenie, I would expect fibrosis to slowly remodel, but progress with that will be very slow, I think.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15th, 2006 18:32 |
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Dr. Marshall,
My MP doctor has a 3 year old boy with autism. I passed along your conversation with the Pediatrician in Sweden who has noticed higher autism rates.
I suspect this MP doctor will call you for advice on her own son.
Sherry
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