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Some Bacteria make you Fat, some Thin
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eClaire
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 Posted: Sun Dec 21st, 2008 06:17

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I was having thoughts about the role of bacteria in raw and cooked foods.  Common wisdom is that if foods are cooked, then they are safer.  Of course, we're learning that is not necessarily the case.  I'm wondering if cooked foods might not help break down bacteria into CWD bacteria as well. 

When I had an out of control natural herx for 8 months 15 years ago, I went on a diet that was almost identical to the MP diet, however, most of it was raw.  I've begun to wonder if that might not have contributed to my feeling better as well.

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 Posted: Sun Dec 21st, 2008 06:31

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Claire,

I just think from a "common sense" viewpoint, why do humans have to cook their food? Why do they eat things that they have to cook first to digest (I can't see me running down a chicken, biting its head off, and eating it). Of course this is a wildly debated topic in many circles, but I'm on the side of if it's edible and attainable in its natural state, then it seems like "common sense" says that you can/should eat it.

I can only report from my own experience that eating a raw food based diet has seemed to help me. Of course, I could likewise be progressing on the MP. At any rate, it works for me, and I feel nourished. When I eat a primarily cooked diet, I don't feel satiated like I do with raw.  I want to eat more and more.

Anyhow, that's all I'll post here since I don't want to be clogging up the thread. Perhaps it would be a good discussion on the MP Lifestyles site.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 23rd, 2009 14:04

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16467-bugs-and-tongues-reveal-human-march-across-pacific.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news

This article illustrates how different populations gradually develop different microbiota!



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 Posted: Sat Jan 24th, 2009 00:06

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Thank you for this interesting article....for an even more interesting "read"..you must read the comments that follow the article.



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 Posted: Tue Jul 21st, 2009 23:52

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And now, back to near the topic this thread was started on...

Could this study linking organic brain dysfunction to anorexia actually highlight the results of another bacterial rampage outside of the gut itself? We know the pathogens are not limited to a single area of the body...
Review provides new insights into the causes of anorexia
New imaging technology provides insight into abnormalities in the brain circuitry of patients with anorexia nervosa (commonly known as anorexia) that may contribute to the puzzling symptoms found in people with the eating disorder.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 26th, 2009 23:10

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Hi, I just came accross this news item thought it might be interesting,
would like to know if this is relevent to the job (debugging) that we are
working on just wondering what others thought.
Margo         http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-07/hms-cad072209.php



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 Posted: Mon Jul 27th, 2009 01:46

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Margo,
It might be interesting once they move it out of mice and prove it in men :)
 

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 Posted: Wed Aug 12th, 2009 11:30

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Some interesting reading here:

http://gordonlab.wustl.edu/GLHome.html

http://www.prohealth.com/fibromyalgia/library/showArticle.cfm?libid=14769&B1=EM081209F



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 Posted: Fri Oct 30th, 2009 20:12

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This AP article appeared in our local paper yesterday. Thought you would be interested.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/AP/Search/US/Default.aspx?id=735496

Scientists seek origins of obesity in the womb  by Malcolm Ritter


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"That's the implication of research suggesting that something in an obese woman's womb can program her fetus toward becoming a fat child and adult. It's not about simply passing along genes that promote obesity; it's some sort of still-mysterious signal.

The idea has only recently entered conversations between doctors and female patients, and scientists are scrambling to track down a biological explanation. That knowledge, in turn, may provide new ways to block obesity from crossing generations."



 

 

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 Posted: Tue Nov 10th, 2009 02:28

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And so you think they might connect the finding that some bacteria can make you fat?:?

Sometimes I think that many scientists are so mono-focused that they miss stuff (possible explanations) that the rest of us get just reading the papers.



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