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Sallie Q
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Posted: Wed Mar 23rd, 2011 06:34 |
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Bobo asked (Apr 23rd, 2010)
Does anyone know if Benicar can affect teeth remineralizing or saliva decrease? I am only on Benicar right now, but have been through all the phases, (phase 3 only a short while before taking a break) Been on a abx break for many months. I herx without abx, so only benicar every 6-8 hours now. My teeth are fast getting worse. I can see damage on the front teeth happening right now (holes in the enamel appearing) Can herxing inhibit saliva and remineralizing? I am starting to feel pain in the gums and teeth, sensitivity, aching and a sour feeling in the mouth and taste
marion villa Replied: Apr 25th, 2010 10:29
Bobo: I think Th1 bugs can do harm in a lot of different ways. I haven't dental issues myself with MP only sensitivity when herxing, but I have low saliva and tears level due to Th1 illness.I think your enamel problem is more related to the low saliva level, than to the abx. Rinse your mouth with water and baking soda when you feel acidic, and use a fluoride mouthrinse 1 minute 4 or 5 times a day to promote remineralization of the enamel with the little saliva you have, or you can go to dentist to put a fluor gel, like the children use but it isnt as effective as constant mouth home fluor rinses.
Chris replied May 15th, 2010
My periodontal troubles did not show anything like your dramatic worsening. But it has resolved. I still get more plaque/tartar than I like, but the dentist is happy with the state of my gums. One suggestion I haven't seen on this thread is to use the Arm&Hammer baking soda/peroxide toothpaste. It isn't as sweet or smelly as other brands, and is the only one that really cut the morning foul mouth for me. It is probably a small help, but it's all I've got.
Kas (in Canada) asks:
"I had a Cerac inlay done last Thurs on a molar I had ground down badly. I had some pain after the numbing wore off, which all but vanished over the weekend. Then, suddenly on Monday morning, I awoke with the most excrutiating toothache I have ever experienced. Even room temp water in my mouth caused me to feel extreme pain.
I went back to my dentist after work, and he could not see anything amiss. He felt there might be some inflammation which would settle down. He sent me home and said to give it some time. Well, last night I was in agony. This morning, I was back at the dentist. He could only think I had pulp inflammation/ oerhaps a reaction to the Cerac ( although I have another such filling with no issues), He cannot understand it. The Cerac was removed and I now have something called a Zoe bandage on the tooth. It's still numb, but the dentist expects it to settle down over the next few days. I f not, I will have to have RCT. He sees no infection at all.
I am beginning to wonder if perhaps Cerac ( a porcelain) and the MP are not condusive, or perhaps this is just my bad luck.
Anyone else ever had any issues with fillings on the MP? "Last edited on Wed Mar 23rd, 2011 22:31 by Sallie Q
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Posted: Wed Mar 23rd, 2011 19:08 |
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I broke a molar in half last week on some popcorn the dentist rebuilt it using Cerac and I had no issues at all. Half my tooth is now cerac and half is now real tooth. I wonder if you reacted poor to the freezing.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2011 03:51 |
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Another potential cause of pain after dental work is if they used epi in the shot.
From: http://mpkb.org/home/special/dentist
For dental procedures requiring a local anesthetic, one without epinephrine (adrenaline) is essential. Last edited on Thu Mar 24th, 2011 03:51 by Joyful
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Posted: Thu Mar 24th, 2011 10:59 |
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I don't know about Cerac, as I believe it was a composite filling that I had done years ago when dental technology started moving away from amalgam fillings. However, I had the same reaction as KAS. My dentist, however, didn't see the problem as being related to the filling. Instead, because I ground my teeth and was in law school, he attributed the pain to that (yeah, same old same old... psychological). He ended up sending me to a specialist. I had a night guard made and the pain only continued to get worse. Finally, the tooth died and I had the doctor pull the tooth (I'd already learned that root canals were not the way to go).
At any rate, I had been right from the beginning... the was something wrong about the filling. Since then, I've had smaller fillings of either composite or Cerac (I didn't ask so I don't know) and I've experienced no problem.
I, of course, wasn't on the MP when that happened. I was, however, ill with TH1 illness.
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Kas
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Posted: Mon Mar 28th, 2011 20:19 |
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My tooth healed with the Zoe filling! No more pain at last!
We will try the cerac filling again in two weeks' time. Hopefully, no further issues will occur. I have epi - free numbing every time.
Perhaps the beni helped settle things down again?
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Posted: Fri Jul 29th, 2011 22:15 |
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I just googled my name and saw this thread!
I am in desperate need of help and advice. For the past weeks I have has incredible pain in my gums and teeth, as if acid is pouring down my teeth, stingy burning intense feeling along the gum and especially my corner teeth. I am so so scared, I can see it is affecting the enamel of the teeth, the teeth are getting yellow, losing its shine, I can see places where the tooth mass is lessening!
When the pain starts, I also often get pain along the jaw muscle, head, neck tightening, throat tightening and more. But I am so scared I am going to lose my teeth or they are degrading fast again. When I touch the tooth I get feel the pain as if the nerve is inflamed or anything. When I went to dentist a month ago or so he said he could not find anything but then some weeks later it started to worsen. My dr says I should try Nystatin, I am waiting for my doctor to come back from holiday. Is this yeast related? Hope somebody knows..
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 01:49 |
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I had a sensitivity period in phase 2. It passed.
Gums and teeth felth weak and hollow almost.
They did get a bit of a yellow tinge to them.
I believe that is discoloration coming from the INSIDE.
Mino causes this. If we use high doses of mino, the yellowing can worsen, or even become permanent. I do believe this is why they avoid this antibiotic for children with teeth in the formative years.
Despair not  , for a year later, my teeth are whiter than before the mp.
The yellowing IMO is waste produced by the die off of bugs. This flows around in the blood. Guess where most of our teeth "color" comes from?
INside
As you heal, the load goes down. The teeth get healed from the inside, and they do remineralize.
It happened to me.
Our saliva is a strong antimicrobial. It starts to do a lot of killing in our mouths, and the endotoxins from bugs cause issues.
My solution that worked great was old school listerine, and sea salt water rinses.
Full strength listerine is too strong, so I diluted it 10:1 to start, and as I tolerated it, the gum burning went down... stabalized. Then i increased the strength slowly to full strength. Just like the ABX dosing we do.
The salt water rinse is excellent, and worked great when I had some dry mouth.
I am not a fan of most commercial toothpaste, nor fluoridated products of any kind.
My research showed that fluorine causes more bone/tooth problems than it helps.
Old yellow listerine, and sea salt water rinse with basic baking soda for toothpaste.
My teeth keep becoming whiter, and feel better. My gums no longer sting, and I do not ever have bad breath anymore.
I attribute it to the inside becoming healthier
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 03:26 |
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BIG DOG,
THANK YOU so much for your reply. It helped me so much and calmed me down. Thank you!
Hopefully it will go away soon, because I get so much anxiety at the same time.
Salt water rinse is just salt in water? I will try it and also the listerine! Thanks!
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Sallie Q
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 09:33 |
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sorry to interrupt but listerine is not on the MPKB recommended list
http://mpkb.org/home/othertreatments/mouthwash
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 15:28 |
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Hi,
I will describe two periods with toothache I had. One a couple of years ago, the other about 2 weeks ago. It is actually acting up as I type this...
I haven't experienced the toothdecay, but maybe my experiences can help.
I wil start with the tootache of two weeks ago.
I have been steadily upping my abx for the past year or so. When I added Zith, something weird started happening. At times, some of my teeth would feel like they were in a vice (vise?). I never had braces for my teeth, but it felt like suddenly I had them. Some sort of pressure. This came and went over the past couple of months.
Two weeks ago, a molar in the right upper quadrant, started hurting. At first not too bad, but steadily getting worse. Now, I have been on the MP a long time and thought: might be herx ... (or, as Greg Blaney would say: That's interesting ...)
So, first thing I did was go to Beni every 3 hours. Did did help a bit, but the pain got worse. It got so bad, I could hardly get some sleep at night. So I decided two things:
1. since it reacted to Beni, I thought it had to be inflammation, which would resolve in time, hopefully soon.
2. since Beni didn't help enough, I took Ibuprofen (400MG four times that day), which was the only thing that helped against the pain at the other occasion I mentioned at the beginning of this post.
I fortunately only had to take Ibuprofen for one day, since the day after taking Ibuprofen, the pain had decreased to about 20% of what is was. Over the next days, the pain virtually disappeared, until today. It has flared up again, to about 30%. Probably because I lost the Beni-blockad last night due to oversleeping and missing a dose ...
I see this post might be getting too long, so I will very shortly describe the first occasion.
The filling of left lower molar broke and fell out. Tooth got inflamed. Used Ibuprofen for pain, since that was the only thing that helped against tootache.
Toothache went away after several days. I never replaced filling. I also never let dentist take the molar out, since I am testing if further along on the MP, the molar might rebuild itself, or, perhaps, an even more remote possibility might occur that when taken out, another molar might grow ...
I know this might sound crazy, but since all sorts of bodily functions are healing, reappearing, etc., why not these functions, related to teeth. :-)
And since the molar doesn't hurt anymore, there is no urgent need to take it out or do something else with it. Consider me a testsubject :-)
Hope this helps,
Best to all, Frans
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 15:49 |
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I'll chime in as I have had significant issues with my teeth since starting the MP. Over the past 3 years I have had to have 5 or 6 root canals with at least 7 crowns. I have also had times when every tooth in my mouth was so sensitive I couldn't eat. This lasts for a few days at a time and then goes away on its own. I have also had significant receding of my gums. Prior to the MP I had not had to have any dental work done except for cleaning for about 8 years.
I don't know how much is related to IP versus how much is permanent damage done to my teeth from my floroquinolone toxicity. I know many people who have had bad reactions to cipro/levequin etc who end up having their teeth basically fall apart the years following. So I'm not really sure which to blame. Perhaps a combination.
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Last edited on Sat Jul 30th, 2011 15:50 by Hogan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 19:52 |
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I'll chime in, too. I have had several painful and I will admit scary flare-ups of tooth pain since on the MP.
My first year on the MP, while my 25D was still pretty high, I did chip a huge piece off a tooth, requiring a crown to repair it (which took a year to pay off even after my dental insurance paid part of it). But this was the final episode in a long series of tooth disasters that began long before the MP. (Molars that cracked all the way through and had to be pulled, no way to save them. Fillings that kept failing and having to be replaced. Cavities galore, in teeth that when I was young I was told were really good teeth, really strong.)
All I've had since that first year is IPs, not disasters. Really bad toothaches that would come, cost me some sleep for a night or three, and then fade away. I have become pretty stoic and unafraid of them. Good old MP.
One minor thing has changed in my mouth, for the better: For decades, including my MP years, I had ever-increasing deposits of rock-hard tartar that would take the hygienist a half hour to chip away every 6 months. My last cleaning, a week ago, took less than ten minutes start to finish. I said, Wait a minute, is that all the tartar you found? She said, Yes, you have really no tartar at all except behind your front lower teeth where it's unavoidable. Maybe this is temporary, maybe not. But it was pretty dramatic.
Best to all,
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 22:57 |
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Bobo wrote:
BIG DOG,
THANK YOU so much for your reply. It helped me so much and calmed me down. Thank you!
Hopefully it will go away soon, because I get so much anxiety at the same time.
Salt water rinse is just salt in water? I will try it and also the listerine! Thanks!
Yep, just sea salt dissolved in water for a good rinse (60 sec or so, gargle too).
PS, I chose the "old school" yellow listerine original formula because it was targeted for the "L" form of bacteria. It also has no fluorines.
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Posted: Sat Jul 30th, 2011 23:39 |
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For the record, I am quite sure that the mouthwashes recommended by Dr Marshall for the MP are those whose main or preferably only active ingredient is cetylpyridinium chloride. Listerine may contain this ingredient but from my comparison shopping I think I remember it had a lot of other active ingredients as well.
Remember also that yellow mouthwashes contain FD&C yellow food coloring, another substance to be avoided on the MP. If I have to use colored stuff, I go for blue which doesn't look at all greenish. I use Scope Outlast mouthwash, and dilute it a bit with water 'cause it, too, is pretty strong for a painful mouth.
Salt water rinse is indeed just sea salt in water. If it tastes about like seawater, that seems the right concentration to me.
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Posted: Sun Jul 31st, 2011 05:01 |
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I am currently using Crest Pro-Health Wintergreen Multi-Protection (alcohol free) UPC 0 3700005101 5.
It does not have yellow#5.
An exceedingly good tooth cleansing technique is to use Hydrogen Peroxide and Baking Soda. I am just too lazy to mix it every night Google for more info if you are interested in this
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Posted: Tue Aug 9th, 2011 16:36 |
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| Thanks everybody for your input!
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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2011 21:06 |
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During the years I've had Lyme disease, I've had transient tooth pain. It usually lasts for about two weeks then fades again. The dentists could never find anything wrong.
However, I have another question: I knocked three teeth out way back in '86. They were reimplanted, but had root canals. Two of the teeth are still fine, colour-wise, but one has started to go grey. I'm trying to avoid dental work while on the MP, if possible, but is there any hope that a dead tooth might at some point get better colour again? I'm wondering if there are bacteria inside the tooth, even though there is no nerve.
It's very inspiring to hear long time MPers saying their teeth and gums are healthier than ever!
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Posted: Wed Aug 10th, 2011 21:25 |
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Hi Paisleykilt.........About 8months into my MP I had a severe tooth IP which when over I discovered a hole at the bottom of the tooth. Went to the dentist and found I had a completely rotten tooth that had had a root canal, but looked fine on the outside. The MP finds all those pockets of bugs!
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