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jsledge
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 18:04 |
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I wonder what else he's discovered that ARF has been saying for years...
http://tinyurl.com/yzv6kdr
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ChrisMavo
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 21:53 |
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Interesting article! I wonder how long before they pick up on the role of the VDR in this process of L-form creation?
I keep seeing report after report about how wonderful vitamin D is. It seems to be the darling of the medical research community these days! Yet, I am sure that the high level of vitamin D in our food supply is preventing our immune systems from "seeing" these L-form bacteria and taking care of them ... long before any antibiotics would be needed!
But there is hope that if enough studies like this one are done and published, more effective antibiotics may be developed to help people that are already chronically ill.
Thanks for posting this one.
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scooker48
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 22:24 |
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I can only hope that this paper, along with the MP, will change the minds of TPTB.
However, I can see another scenario: pills will be developed, probably called "biologics" which contain live bacteria. The live bacteria will counteract some of the bad bacteria in your body, and keep you alive. Main stream medicine will keep you alive, but at a high price: I understand "biologics" cannot be patented. They will probably be very, very expensive. 
Those of us on the MP can only be thankful that we know the significance of the Marshall Protocol and its groundbreaking science. At the risk of being cynical, however, money is what seems to drive the system. Not science. Sigh...
I certainly hope this scenario is wrong!
Sherry
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jcwat101
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:08 |
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They end with:
These L-forms of various bacteria may be the underlying reason for chronic resistant and recurring diseases, such as sarcoidosis, various forms of inflammatory bowel diseases and rheumatoid arthritis. Zhang is confident that there will be many practical applications of this discovery.
"It is possible, with our discovery of the L-form genes to develop new antibiotics and more effective ones that can be used with current ones as well as new vaccines to . . . allow these forms to be eliminated by the immune system," he said.
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Rico
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 02:16 |
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Here's the full-text article:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007316
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 14:40 |
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Here's a response from Dr Y Zhang from the Department of Molecular Microbiology and Immunology, Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University, and one of the authors of the work published on this thread:
I am frequent visitor of the Bacteriality website run by Amy. I agree with many of the things said there, but we need more scientific proof and more work to convince people that L-forms are underlying many diseases.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 15:14 |
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Thanks, Rico.
Will you please write to Dr Y Zhang again, and remind him that he did not cite the earlier work of Proal or Marshall in his article. Any one of our published papers could have been cited to acknowledge the work of my colleagues which he read at Bacteriality, and which no doubt fueled his enthusiasm for potential applications in disease.
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/transcripts/ICA2008_Transcript_TomPerez.pdf
http://autoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/ProalAnnals2009Preprint.pdf
http://AutoimmunityResearch.org/preprints/AR-Proal-Metagenome.pdf
http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2009/vitaminD0109.htm
http://TrevorMarshall.com/BioEssays-Feb08-Marshall-Preprint.pdf
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.autrev.2003.10.001
Amy, and all of us, deserve citation, no matter how much more important he might think his own work is than ours.
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Deedee
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 16:29 |
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Rico, can you post his email address?
Dr. M, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to have researchers hitch a ride on your wagon and not even acknowledge the MP research. I guess this kind of self-promotion has been going on since the beginning of time, but it is always shocking and disturbing.
I never received a response to the post to Dr. Drake in regard to the same issue, and in fact my post was deleted.
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 16:37 |
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Deedee, Rico,
I don't want anybody except Rico to write to Dr Zhang, since he made the original contact. I would like to get a positive collaboration going with Dr Zhang, and I think one admonishment ought to be enough to help him understand that you really can't get away with very much in this Web 2.0 world
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Deedee
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Posted: Sun Nov 8th, 2009 19:17 |
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| Fine with me. Let me know what is supporting and what is not.
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Posted: Wed Nov 11th, 2009 13:37 |
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| Plagiarism is a serious offence in the scientific community...
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Posted: Thu Nov 12th, 2009 00:11 |
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Positiveminds,
What are you suggesting that he has plagiarised? The idea that L-form bacteria/biofilm may be the underlying causative factor in the development of chronic illness is not a new idea. I think Prof. Zhang is simply trying to establish the molecular biology employed by L-Form biofilms to persist and survive in a host. Whatever mechanism L-Forms have developed to defend themselves from attack by the adaptive and innate immune systems, it would certainly have an underlying bio chemical process. Understanding these processes enables potentially new protocols to be developed for conquering the L-Form biofilms.
Teresa.
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