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Th1 inflammation
Dental problems are very common among folks with Th1 inflammatory diseases because a high level of the hormone 1,25-D causes the teeth to be resorbed into the blood resulting in many dental changes. Decreased saliva can make teeth more susceptible to the mix of pathogens present in the mouth that decay teeth.
Dental problems related to Sarcoidosis
Dental problems were something I linked to my undiagnosed disease for decades. I suffered non-traumatic fractures to 12 teeth over the years, and these continued to bother me even after root canal therapies and crowns were completed. Sometimes my teeth would feel "squishy," not loose, but not properly anchored to my jaw. If you are having this problem, you should check with your dentist, as I did. Sometimes they simply couldn't find anything obviously causing a problem.
The amazing thing was that, as I progressed through my Herxheimer, it often affected my teeth, gums and jaw. They would sometimes get a nice throb and most of the old symptoms I'd had in the past (except for fractured teeth!) cycled through, but much more quickly resolved, in my regular Herxing rhythm. Fortunately, my Herxes were never as bad as the worst symptoms I'd had in the past, which included my tongue feeling "too big for my mouth" and red gums that persisted only few hours.
My dentist and hygenist have been astonished at how healthy my teeth and gums are now. I've kept them up on my progress with the MP for the past two and a half years, and as dental professionals, they are familiar with the use of minocycline for treatment of gum disease. ~Belinda
Be sure to continue with regular dental care and visits to the dentist during the Marshall Protocol.
Here are links to articles about sarcoidosis affecting the teeth and jaw:
Loose teeth
Oral ulceration
Worsening dental problems after pregnancy
Th1 disease often flares following pregnancy. The placenta itself produces 1,25-D, especially in the final trimester and result in clinical symptoms. Elevated 1,25-D fuels the disease, allowing intraphagocytic bacteria to evade the immune system. And elvated 1,25-D can result in calcium resorption from teeth and bones, weakening those structures.
Salivary glands inflammation affects dental health
The salivary glands are prompted to become active when we eat. Saliva production starts to flow at mealtime but if the salivary glands are obstructed by stones (calcification) or restricted by infection/inflammation, some saliva is blocked from entering the mouth.
When the flow of saliva is challenged by disease, these glands will enlarge during and after a meal. As a result, eating may be painful. Merck Manual states that swelling due to blockage may be diagnosed due to pain at mealtimes.
Furthermore, swelling, inflammation /infection can extend even to the saliva duct openings in the mouth. I used to have a long-standing problem with swelling and inflammation in these ducts. At times it was almost impossible to chew without biting my swollen inner cheek. This symptom is totally resolved. ~Belinda
Dental problems are common
I've had dental problems since childhood, and as an adult -15 emergency root canals, jawbone infections, and more. It seems that many here have had inexplicable dental woes over the years (well, now we know why!) that are getting better on the MP. The thought of a “healthy” mouth, amongst other improvements, is almost overwhelming. ~Alayne
I spent one day a week, as a young girl, at the dentists office....for two years or more. And I continued into adulthood to have rotten teeth. Many root canals, many teeth pulled, several sets of caps, etc. Nobody brushes more than I do and did...my motto has always been "have toothbrush will travel" now I hardly have a real tooth left to decay....my dentist when I was a child said it was my saliva. If I had the money that has been spent on my mouth I'd be a wealthy woman. I'm in a state of shock that all this could be related...but, you know what, I think it is. ~Aunt Diana
All of my back teeth either have fillings, crowns, onlays,or root canals. i have always brushed, flossed and taken excellent care of my teeth, so it makes you wonder. ~Sunflower
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This thread has Information on:
Dental pain
TMJ pain
Will minocycline stain teeth?
Dental problems related to Th1 disease
Members improvement in dental problems on the MP
Should I delay fixing dental problems?
Antibiotics, Root Canals, Tooth extraction. MP.
Mercury fillings
Mouthwash
Do I need to discontinue Benicar and/or minocycline for a dental procedure? Antibiotics details
Canker sores or apthous ulcers
Pulp Stones
Caring for your teeth and gums
Periodontal disease
Helpful Hints for a dental visit
Analgesia or sedation for dental procedures
Rootcanal work successfully postponed.
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Dental pain
Dental pain is caused by organisms very similar to what you are killing with the MP. As you recover with the MP, any dental inflamation usually also goes away.
What will also surpise your Dentist is that dental work will become painless (after a year, or so, of phase 3). The swollen gums will be replaced by healthy gums, and any aches (in, for example, old root-canals) disappear also...
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Sensodyne toothpaste I have had root treatment myself  and to settle it I used to put a lump of Sensodyne on and around the tooth often until it would settle it, might be worth a try. ~Marion
Anti-inflammatory / anti-bacterial mouth gel helped ease Matt's gums. It is called "Difflam mouth gel" and contained the cetylpyridium chloride that Trevor recommended (1 mg/g). It's use is not recommended for longer than 7 days. ~Robyno
Canker sores
Licorice root extract patchs may provide relief from painful canker sores.
New Method For Healing Canker Sores
http://www.dentist.net/cankermelts.asp
Misaligned teeth
-I have learned from personal experience that often the placement of a new crown, or even a filing can lead to damage to another tooth if the bite is not adjusted properly by the dentist.
I had a couple of crowns in my upper right quadrant in the fall of 2005 that just didn't sit right with the lower teeth. I went back a couple of months later, then again a few months after that. The dentist just did not have the skill to get the bite working right.
Then in the fall of 2006 I changed to a different dentist who had "the touch" required. He fixed the bite and I did not have any more pain in the lower teeth due to the bite being off. In fact it was like a miracle how quickly my symptoms faded away after his 5 minutes of adjusting how the teeth fit together! ~Joyful
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Temporo-Mandibular Joint (TMJ) pain
TMJ (joint in the jaw) can be affected by Th1 just like any other joint. Your TMJ may need a professional to ensure it is working properly. Here is a published report about chiropractic care successfully treating TMJ disorder.
You might try one of the gentle manual therapies such as craniosacral therapy. Some (but not all) osteopathic physicians, doctors of chiropractic, physical therapists or massage therapists are trained in gentle manual techniques. You will have to call or ask around to find a professional practitioner in your area.
We know from our experience that inflammation can lead to temporary temporomandibular joint problems (TMJ). One of the first symptoms of TMJ will be that you notice your jaw isn't working properly. You may be able to barely open and close your mouth and your upper and lower bite no longer align as they once did. The teeth may no longer touch. There may be an odd clicking sound when you move your jaw. For more information, see TMJ Disorders.
Simple, gentle therapies should be tried first. A muscle relaxant may help, especially if you have any muscle spasms in your jaw, neck or head.
It may be necessary to consult a medical professional who is trained in gentle manual therapies to realign the jaw to the correct position so your teeth will meet. Even if your problem is not that bad, a medical professional such as an osteopathic physician or chiropractor who uses gentle therapy and is familiar with TMJ disorders may provide immediate relief. Inflammation really is a temporary problem, but once the joint is out of alignment, a whole sequela of problems could set in, including being unable to eat and talk properly. See Massage and Physical Therapy.
If you already know an osteopathic physician or chiropractor who practices using gentle therapies, great. Call them. If you don't, get the phone book and start calling to find one who can help. It may take only one visit to the right professional. ~Belinda
Facial numbness and tingling
Many people with Th1 disease experience facial numbness and tingling. See P.Bear's post to JJM
Some people will also experience facial tingling and numbness when their 1,25-D surges in response to sunlight sensitivity/sunlight exposure. See Why are my symptoms more intense after exposure to light &/or Vit D?
Dental fractures
Dental fractures are a possibility with Th1 and are often difficult to diagnose. Dental inflammation may increase with immunopathology and should clear up with MP.
All my dental fractures were painful. The cracks in my teeth extended to the tooth's core, which allowed a way for bacteria to reach the soft pulp, nerve endings and blood vessels. I didn't have abcesses.
The endodontist verified each fracture by examination. Cracked teeth can be very sensitive to heat and cold, and the crack can look much like a crack in a rock. When a light was aimed at my tooth, there was a change in the amount of light transmitted at the fracture, so the fracture was obvious to my endodontist. In one case, the tooth pulp was visible when I entered the office, and that pulp pulsed each time my heart beat.
One of my teeth was not particularly painful; the nerve had already died when I realized it was fractured. In that case, my endodontist still recommended a root canal to remove the pulp. Most people do not realize that teeth are alive and fed by blood vessels. Your dentist may be concerned for that reason, since bacteria that get through the crack would be able to get into the blood. ~Belinda
Members experiences
I've had lots of dental work (12 root canals) as a result of Th1 disease. My immunopathology included jaw and teeth pain. I relied on my osteopath for treatments that helped me recover from pain and inflammation. If you don't have coverage for osteopathic manipulation, I suggest you look for a skilled chiropractor in your area. S/he should be able to tell you if they can help with your problem. I relied on osteopathic and chiropractic physicians skilled in craniosacral therapy to relieve TMJ and feeling of pressure in my skull and around my ears (which was part of my immune response). ~Belinda
Early on in the MP, maybe 2 months or so in, I had my front teeth shift enough that the NTI bite guard device I was wearing during sleep for TMJ no longer would fit on my teeth. It's designed to fit tightly but all of a sudden it started falling right off. It's dangerous to wear if it is not tight so I stopped wearing it. I figured I would soon need to go in to the dentist to get it fixed, as it really helped with my problems with clenching teeth at night, and the associated muscle tension and pain. However, I found that my TMJ had improved enough that I never did go get the bite guard fixed. I hardly ever have teeth clenching of significance now. ~Catlady
I am in a similar situation with an old root canal and crown. Never had any trouble with it before MP. The pain started months ago and radiates to my Rt TMJ. There are many days I can hardly chew without severe pain and days when the pain is constant. Sometimes it feels like an abscess again but other times it quiets down and only is sore when chewing. The pain has been reduced some with wearing a night bite block, evidently I am clenching in my sleep also. I have decided to ride it out as I believe if it truly was in need of treatment the pain would intensify and not respond to motrin and wax and wane. I am convinced that there is a lot of immunopathology in my jaw and around the soft tissue and am hoping it will abate at some point...sooner rather than later.
and Later July 07: I did have a root canal many years ago on that side and believe because of the abundant dental work I have had in the past I have a lot of involvement that will be cleared up on this protocol. The odd thing is I did not have any pain prior to the MP. The last 2 months the pain as gone to about a 2-3 on the 1-10 scale thankfully.
and by April 08: Are you certain you have a dental/jaw infection? I know many members have been convinced of a dental/jaw infection only to find out it was immunopathology symptoms. I for one was one of those. I could not open my mouth more than an inch or so for the first year of the protocol and I was certain the bone under my crowned molar with an old root canal was highly infected. I hung on and cannot believe it resolved. Though it did take months and months the pain is gone now in phase III. ~VEZ
Early on in the MP, maybe 2 months or so in, I had my front teeth shift enough that the NTI bite guard device I was wearing during sleep for TMJ no longer would fit on my teeth. It's designed to fit tightly but all of a sudden it started falling right off. It's dangerous to wear if it is not tight so I stopped wearing it. I figured I would soon need to go in to the dentist to get it fixed, as it really helped with my problems with clenching teeth at night, and the associated muscle tension and pain. However, I found that my TMJ had improved enough that I never did go get the bite guard fixed. I hardly ever have teeth clenching of significance now. So, this is another area of improvement that I have had from the MP. There are a number of things that have happened and I only gradually realized the change, and so have forgotten to list them when in my progress report when I note improvements. This is one of those improvements. ~Catlady
My upper teeth are shifting. I've been an inveterate grinder/clencher as well, but that eased up almost entirely with just the avoidance of sun and D, and then Benicar. I hardly notice it now!!! Still, I wear a major mouthguard at night, just in case. However, in the past week or so, the mouthguard has gotten loose on the front teeth - it was ALWAYS tight. Now it's tight only in the far back, where it used to be loosest. On top of that, when I floss, I can feel spaces opening up between most of the upper teeth that weren't there before. My teeth have always been tight. A couple of gaps are large enough to blow air through.  I'll continue wearing the mouthguard (unless it gets too loose) because it acts as a retainer as well. I wore braces in my late 30's to correct a jaw problem and my bite has already changed in the past week or so! Yikes! ~Alayne
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Will minocycline stain teeth?
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Minocycline can discolor developing teeth in children. It is generally avoided in children under age eight for that reason.
THE USE OF DRUGS OF THE TETRACYCLINE CLASS DURING TOOTH DEVELOPMENT (LAST HALF OF PREGNANCY, INFANCY, AND CHILDHOOD UP TO THE AGE OF 8 YEARS) MAY CAUSE PERMANENT DISCOLORATION OF THE TEETH (YELLOW-GRAY-BROWN).
This adverse reaction is more common during long-term use of the drug but has been observed following repeated short-term courses. Enamel hypoplasia has also been reported. TETRACYCLINE DRUGS, THEREFORE, SHOULD NOT BE USED DURING TOOTH DEVELOPMENT.
In some situations, the benefits of using minocycline may outweight the risk of cosmetic changes in the teeth. The risk is probably less when the doses are low, and it does not appear that all children develop tooth staining. http://tinyurl.com/5elyt
Dr Marshall wrote: "There is a possibility that children (under about 9) might get teeth discoloration from the minocycline. In any case, I would always choose a dental bonding/polishing procedure over Th1 disease."
Yellowing teeth
This article states:
The problem of yellow teeth has been around longer than many civilizations. For the most part this natural aging process was never considered something worth tackling. That’s because our teeth are not white to begin with. The hard outer coating of enamel is a bit off-white, and as it thins with age the yellow-gray color of the inner portions of the tooth begin to dominate.
There are many OTC products that can whiten your teeth but if you smoke or drink tea/coffee they can quickly become stained again.
Member's experiences wih yellowing teeth, tooth staining
- Pre-Mp I had constant build up of tartar on my teeth - it's now gone - haven't had any for months. ~PaulT
-My teeth are looking whiter and healthier. No more plaque build-up (7 months on MP) ~Jcocain
-During the first year of the protocol, my teeth became very badly stained. They actually went black. It was quite thick and I couldn't brush it off - even with the whitening toothpaste. Luckily, my mother is a retired dental hygeinist and I was able to go to her to get the really thick gunk scraped off my teeth. At one point, I had to get it done once a month to keep it at bay. Eventually, it just stopped. ~Guss
-I did notice easier staining and faster tartar build up on my teeth the first 18 months of MP, but it has eased off now. I had this happen with a few meds before I started the MP. I think if you take any drugs sublingually this might be more apt to happen. The good news for me is that they polished up nicely with no damage done. The poor hygienist gets a work-out. Thanks goodness for dental techs to help once in a while. ~P.B.
-I just wanted to tell you that my lower front teeth have become stained black between them for the first time in my entire life. Also at my last teeth cleaning appointment the hygienist was alarmed over how much plaque I had acquired. You see I have never had that problem ever either. She said it must be from the meds I am on now because my entire history I have had no problems before. In fact I only needed my teeth cleaned once a year until the MP. Anyway I am now a believer that minocycline can also cause staining on adult teeth. ~CelticLadee
-I get the brown staining at the gum line too. My hygienist has me come in for cleaning every 3-4 months instead of twice a year. The buildup doesn't get too gruesome looking this way and cleaning takes less than an hour. I've had to do this since beginning MP. ~Coolbeans
-On a positive note: the hygienist said this month that there was much less of the stuff (but still come back in 3-4 months) and that my teeth were tighter in their sockets than they have been since I started going to this dentist (8 years). All that IR I've felt in my teeth and gums is making a noticeable difference to my dental professionals. Out of sight stuff, this MP. ~Jan
-I used to have the dark brown staining on my front teeth too, during Phases 1 and 2 on the MP. The hygienist gave me a good talking to about how to brush and floss my teeth, but I assured her I wasn't doing anything differently! When I read about plaque and what causes it, it seems to be linked with bacteria so it would make sense to have an increase with immunopathology....the staining problem has been gone now for about a year.  ~Reenie
-I'd always had super clean teeth until the year before the MP when a dentist told me about how badly my teeth needed cleaning. During the last two years I had cleaning every 6 months and lots of herx in my teeth and sinuses. The last check-up the dentist said I had hardly any plaque and was looking good. ~ Melinda
-Most dentists are offering teeth whitening services nowdays because people like the effect and it brings in revenue. But have you asked your dentist about over-the-counter whitening strips? That could save some money - with the added convenience of doing everything at home. They worked for me. I used them after discussing options with my dentist. We agreed I would try the white strips first and then I could use more agressive treatment in his office if I wanted to. ~Belinda
-Just as a point of interest about bleaching teeth. I worked for 25 years as a dental assistant. I personally used to make up the bleaching trays, patient instructions, follow ups, etc. If your teeth have a "yellow " color, then bleaching gives nice results. ( Your teeth are VERY likely to be sensitive for a period of time). Since I have been unable to work, I email the doc I worked for last asking if there has been any new products out in the past 7 years that will give "grey" tones a brighter look. Grey does not change very much in color, and it is a waste of time/money trying. His reply was that nothing new is available for grey tones, and that one can make dentures. LOL I know it is fustrating to see friends with "whiter" looking teeth, but lets be happy that we have our own, and not the need to put them in a container at night. ~LH1953
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Tooth Abscess
I as well as many others on the forum have experienced what we thought were definite dental abscesses only to find they were severe Immunopathology symptoms; especially those of us who have had major dental work done in the past. You stated, "She took an xray too look for any problems or infection and really couldn't find anything for sure". Most progressed abscesses can be seen on Xray and I would hesitate to take more antibiotics for something I was not sure I had. ~ VEZ
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Members improvement in dental problems on the MP
Plaque
-My teeth look whiter. ~Cold Feet (July 07)
-I noticed the black crud on my teeth has stopped. ~Scooker48
-Aug 06: The one symptom that is bugging me the most is the dental plaque/tartar/crap/crud. My sense of smell/taste is getting better, and it's almost like I can taste the crud growing. For a while, the bad taste was only on awakening and went away after brushing my teeth. Then it was noticable while flossing and chipping out the crud, now it's constant.
Dec 06: Dental crud still has peaks & valleys, but both are much lower than they were a couple of months ago. ~Chris
-on the MP for 3 months. my pinkish-red, puffy gums are returning to a nice shade of light pink again and my gum recession is diminishing.~Elisabeth
-The dentist commented how clean and plaque-free my teeth were. I told him it must be the MP, as there's no change in the way I treat them! ~Julia
Periodontal Disease (gingivitis)
-Healthy teeth and gums after 3-4 months on the MP--One of the pleasant surprises of this protocol is that my gums (which all my life have been problem gums....periodental work galore, itching, bleeding and pockets...no matter how much I brush or floss....have totally cleared up. They are better than they have ever been my whole life.....this makes me a very happy MPer. ~Aunt Diana
-I asked Matt a few days ago how his gums were doing as I hadn't heard him complain about them for a while. Beginning September 06 the gums on one side bled each time he cleaned his teeth and they felt a bit swollen. Sensitive toothpaste and an anti-inflammatory / anti-bacterial mouth gel helped ease Matt's gums. It is called "Difflam mouth gel" and contained the cetylpyridium chloride that Trevor recommended (1 mg/g) (was all I could get). Matt applied it 3 times per day, not recommended for use for more than 7 days- helped a lot and after a few weeks the problem subsided. Matt says his gums still feel a bit swollen but they don't bleed any more and they are not sore. He just seems to ignore it now. Will be interesting to see if that particular immunopathology comes back. ~RobynO..Mom of Matt
-My dentist also told me that my gums are improving. ~Sharon
-Very early during MP I had jaw herxs, which resulted in regaining my cheek bones and dimples profile.I can chew stronger and longer and never have bleeding gums when cleaning my teeth. ~Grace
-2 months in phase 2. Good news from the periodontist who told me yesterday when I went for my 6 monthly gum clean that my gums are the best they have been since I had the surgery for gum disease nearly 6 years ago. I was quite surprised as I had not been as diligent as I usually am in their maintenance over the last 6 months. I must say the cleaning process wasn’t nearly as horrible as it usually is and my gums were not tender and bleeding afterwards. Thank you Trevor! ~McAleesa
-For the first time in more than 10 years I have perfect gums, no pockets - this cleared up in the last 6 months. My dentist and hygienist were shocked. They've rarely seen such dramatic improvement in such a short time. My dentist has a friend with CFS and she went home to check your website the same day she was so impressed. ~Sandiegojoy
-I have just returned from a periodonist appointment. Lasttime he told me my gums had improved incredibly. This time he couldn't find any evidence of infection. I had surgery approx 6 years ago for gum disease. It has been a constant struggle since then to keep the infection under control. I was warned that I would eventually lose two teeth..... Well I was told today that if my gums remain at this level I will not lose my teeth. Great hey!!! I had a good talk to the periodentist and asked him if he had lots of patients with so called auto immune diseases. He affirmed this. I told him gum disease was a symptom of these disorders and as he showed interest told him to check the website. I hope he does. Go Marshall Protocol - ~Scarab (Alex)
--My dentist said what's left of my gums are in great shape and he is astounded how quickly that turned around (Now if ONLY I had gotten on the MP before I allowed them to cut away most of the gums around lower molars.
I'm no expert here but in my opinion your gums can and will heal on the MP. I couldn't tell you how much. I, like you had a lot of gum issues about a year before my official dx of sarc. I had 3-4 fructations, receding gum tissue and bone loss. Scalings, etc. didn't do any good and my dentist sent me to a periodontist to have gum surgery. This was about the time I got dx'ed with Sarc and I really felt it all had to be related (I prob had it for many years but about 6-7 months of trying to get fitter and taking lots of omega 3 via fish oil and flax seed oil really kicked off the Sarc ....now I know it was due to high vit d).
I asked the periodontist about it...he was convinced periodontal disease and did the surgery. He did however take a biopsy of some of the diseased gum tissue and low and behold, sarcoidosis. He sent me to a Oral Surgeon that he knew for a consult and I was told that periodontal disease would look exactly like Sarc to a periodontist (and vice-versa). At this point (about 4 years ago) I was told I would lose 4-5 molars over the next several years.
Interestingly enough, after starting the MP, the gum tissue's have gotten healthy (the little that remains ) and have stabalized. I have 1 tooth in particular that was very mobile...it still is mobile but less so than before (of course, a lot of the root is sticking out so not much remains).
If I had it all to do over again (hindsight is 20/20), I'd try 6 months on the MP before I let someone cut away on my gums....I might very well have had a lot less tissue removed. I know due to the gum loss I'd already experienced that it would not have returned completely well...but I bet I would have a lot more than I have now. ~Robertrr
-All of my life my teeth and gums have been an issue for me. I think every tooth in my head has a root canaland a crown.. and most are only there because of the good dentists I have had since a child. When I was 20 I started to have gum problems and needed extensive curretage by a periodentist...expensive, time consuming and not fun. I could probably pay off the national debt if I had the money my teeth and gums have cost me.
My gums were under control at the start of the MP, but there were several areas that were borderline and needed constant attention....special toothbrush, water pic, dental floss and many trips to the dentist but I still had one area that was inflamed and never seemed to clear up.
Was I surprised...that six or so months into the protocol all of a sudden I realized my gums were the healthiest they have ever been in my life. I now have no pockets, my receding gum line has become "unreceded"...no more bleeding gums, they have never been so healathy...This pointed out to me how powerful the MP is and that it really is killing bacteria in areas I didn't even know I had any.
I believe now that all of my dental problems were most likely due to CWD bacteria. ~Aunt Diana
-Prior and early on while on the MP, I had major periodontal disease and had been recommended to have extensive surgery. I asked to have any procedures delayed for 6 months. On re-evaluation, I had only two small pockets which were treated with laser surgery. My gums have remained healthy since and regression apparent prior has now resolved back to normal. Also, my calculus or tartar build-up is much, much less.
You can expect some aggravation of symptoms especially if you have had any infected tooth requiring a root canal or deep filling. Once started on minocycline, the gum inflammation and infection will improve. The tooth pain can wax and wane throughout the ramping up phase of the antibiotics but tend to be transient. ~Greg Blaney, MD
Shifting teeth and fractures
-For years Pre MP I had squishy teeth and non-traumatic fractures causing increasing and constant discomfort and the Dentist had been at a loss as to what more to do... and then came MP. Since beginning MP I have had some mild teeth & palate herx, but recently only occasional mild sensation in those teeth. ~Barb
Painful teeth
-I could not ever bear to eat cold fruit (from refrigerator).. miraculously changed at about 1 year into MP. ~Barb
-I have had major tooth problems. I broke a front tooth at the age of 13 and they capped it then without ever really checking into the fact it had cracked all the way up the side of my nose .... This was a source of bacterial infections from my teens until finally a very wise dr suggested I have it pulled. Being a front tooth I had fought very hard to keep it. This was after 25 years, three apicos, two bone operations, other serious infections and pain!! I would dare to say it may have been the ultimate source of my cwd's even at 13.
I did have it pulled and got immediate relief and was estatic!! I then wanted every sore tooth pulled. I have several very old root canals and mercury fillings but a very wise dentist and did not do it!!
I have never NOT had a sore tooth ....it is part of my life. Later I worked in a dental office and learned that we need to fight for our teeth regardless. Keeping our natural teeth may actually stave off diseases like "alzheimers". Sure they have to be reasonably healthy but that is the beauty of the MP is that we that can help reverse dental disease.
I have managed to keep all my teeth now and each year I have a few less problems and manage to get more mercury removed and old root canals replaced ... I still have several to go ....and still have sore teeth too. But a fraction of the tooth disease I had just 3 years ago .... Good Luck and remember each tooth is a pearl and fight to keep whatever you can!!! ~Lee
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We have quite a few in our study cohort who have had lingering dental pain subside on the MP, even after their dentist could find no apparent reason for that pain. These latent infections from cell wall deficient bacteria usually remain hidden - except for the symptoms the patient experiences.
Immunopathology
Keep in mind that the disease was already there before treatment. Treatment with the MP may make you more aware of the extent of the disease and exacerbate dental problems. It is logical to expect significant immunopathological responses in the areas most affected by disease. Before you assume that your dental symptoms indicate the need for a dental procedure, consider the possibility they might be due to an immune system reaction. Adjusting MP meds may resolve the symptoms.
Q: I have no doubt in my mind that there is a lot of bacteria built up from this root canal clear up to my ear....my question is....would I have less herx and would the MP kill the bacteria in that area faster if I had the tooth removed?
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I had an infected front tooth abscess for a decade that I wouldn't let Doc pull, as it was a top-front tooth, and the abscess went right up to my nose. There are now no signs of abscess whatsoever.
I would just keep hangin' in there...
Tooth extraction
Removing that tooth will reduce the load but only a little as the surrounding jaw bone is still infected. Unless it is specifically symptomatic, I would recommend delaying until Th1 disease is under control. If one requires an implant, then wait until almost or fully recovered. ~G.Blaney, MD
Root canal
-I started on the Marshall Protoicol with light NoIR glasses while I was waiting for my darker glasses and my medicine scrips. This set off pain in one tooth. The dentist I saw said the tooth needed root canal work. My doctor had a query about root canal work. I took two courses of antibiotics and the tooth eventually settled down. All of this happened while away from home. When I looked into this problem with my own dentist, she discovered that I had two other teeth with the same problem and suggested that all three should be seen to.
As by now none of the teeth were causing any problems, I chose not to do anything. That was 18 months ago. I am now in Phase 3 of the MP. Over the last 18 nmonths my teeth have been effected ( herxing) each time I change medication and go onto a new combination. But the pain is always only brief. ~Chris Townsend
Elevated levels of angiotensin II due to Th1 inflammation can impede the healing process
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Root canals are the long passages full of soft tissue deep within the dentin of a tooth, adjoining the pulp chamber. In dentistry, a pulpectomy is an endodontic treatment to cure an infection of the root canal; informally a root canal.
It is my understanding that it's the pulp of the tooth - the soft core in the middle of the tooth that is assessed to determine whether root canal therapy is needed. The pulp contains the nerves and extends to the tip of the roots in the jawbone, so we are talking about the same thing. If the pulp is dead, then the root is also dead.
My experience with root canals was as a result of fractured (cracked) teeth and this is the most common reason for root canal therapy. A cracked tooth, if the crack is deep enough, allows all the bacteria in the mouth to have open access to the blood supply in the pulp of the tooth and then to the bloodstream.
I've had experience with a tooth that fractured completely to expose the pulp, which was still vital. That tooth was very painful. I had another dental fracture where the pulp was dead when I detected it, and that tooth had no pain. Since these were fractures, both instances required root canal therapy.
Your prognosis is likely to depend upon the cause of your abscess, which could be due to a crack, dental decay, trauma, or infection in the gum or jaw.
Whether root canal therapy is necessary in your case is something for you to discuss with your dentist. Perhaps if there is no obvious fracture or decay, s/he may be willing to wait and see.
One thing to keep in mind is that antibiotics used on the MP are often used in treating gum disease and dental abscesses.
My numerous teeth treated with root canal therapy (which were supposed to be "dead" since the pulp had been removed) were intermittently sensitive to heat, cold and dental probings until about 18 months on the MP. ~Belinda
With regards to root canals, if they were done for infection, to 'save a tooth', that tooth is infected still and is one of the niches of pathogens. Also, any MP patient who has had root canals for an infected tooth or have teeth that have been sensitive and suspected to be possibly infected should not be surprised if it 'blows up', that is, becoming abcessed. Though painful and requiring extraction often, it is a reflection of improved immune response. The occult infection which has likely affected one's health is now being isolated and eliminated by the immune system. Lower levels of infection in the gums and teeth will also resolve and luckily without abcess formation.
By the way, Dr. Weston Price's work on root canal therapy (RCT) and inflammatory arthritis is in my opinion the first documentation of infection causing auto immune disease. The error was that he thought that the tooth was the source while we now know it is likely just another victim.
Also, any MP patient who has had root canals for an infected tooth or have teeth that have been sensitive and suspected to be possibly infected should not be surprised if it 'blows up', that is, becoming abcessed. Though painful and requiring extraction often, it is a reflection of improved immune response. The occult infection which has likely affected one's health is now being isolated and eliminated by the immune system. Lower levels of infection in the gums and teeth will also resolve and luckily without abcess formation. ~G. Blaney, MD
This article states that "root canals can cause BACTERIA to become entrenched inside the structure of teeth".
My suggestion is to follow the advice from a reliable dentist or endodontist regarding how to treat a tooth.
I had a dozen root canals while struggling with chronic disease with no name (finally diagnosed with sarcoidosis). My recovery tells me that it is possible to recover using the MP, even if you've had extensive root canal therapy in the past. The resolution of my aching teeth and jaws was just another step in recovery.
I followed the advice of my dentist and endodontist and I have 12 root-canal-treated teeth with crowns. All these teeth had non-traumatic fractures over several years' time, making treatment necessary.
I was happy to have saved my teeth, but was a bit dissatified because some of them remained sensitive. I would flinch during routine dental exams, for instance, and was told that was not normal. After the MP, the sensitivity resolved, so I think it was due to residual Th1inflammation.
One needs to work with their dentist and dental specialists regarding their particular problems and how to treat. If there are dental problems with no obvious cause, like my non-traumatic dental fractures, the cause may be Th1 inflammation and accompanying cytokines and dysregulated vitamin D metabolism. But, as in the case of my fractured teeth, the need for treatment may be immediate and unavoidable, even if due to Th1 inflammation.
In fact, Th1 inflammation can result in reddened gums and peridontal disease, including bone resorption.
There will be instances where immediate treatment is necessary, but postponing elective treatment may be logical, particularly for non-emergency idiopathic problems that might resolve with MP antibiotic therapy. Be sure to talk over your case and concerns with your dental professional. ~Belinda
Tooth extraction
Removing that tooth will reduce the load but only a little as the surrounding jaw bone is still infected. Unless it is specifically symptomatic, I would recommend delaying until Th1 disease is under control. If one requires an implant, then wait until almost or fully recovered. ~G.Blaney, MD
If post extraction, you develop an infection (dry socket), I found increasing MP antibiotics will usually do the job. There is no need for prophylactic antibiotics for an extraction, so unless infected or have cardiac problems requiring antibiotics, you can safely await for any possible infection and treat accordingly afterwards if needed. ~Greg Blaney, MD
Implants
I would strongly recommend a two step approach. Have the extraction but wait until socket is fully healed before getting implant, especially if the tooth had a root canal previously.
Never have an implant in a previously infected tooth which has had a root canal as it will fail.
Implants placed in a previously infected site will often fail. If post extraction, you develop an infection (dry socket), I found increasing Phase 2 antibiotics will usually do the job. ~ Greg Blaney, MD
Never have an implant in a previously infected tooth which has had a root canal as it will fail. Crown and bridge restoration is very effective if technically possible. Try to avoid metal in crowns and or bridge. There are new ceramics which are equal in terms of strength.
If one requires an implant, then wait until almost or fully recovered from your Th1 disease.
I would strongly recommend a two step approach. Have the extraction but wait until socket is fully healed before getting implant, especially if the tooth had a root canal previously. Implants placed in a previously infected site will often fail. ~Greg Blaney, MD
Crowns and bridges
Crown and bridge restoration is very effective if technically possible. Try to avoid metal in crowns and or bridge. There are new ceramics which are equal in terms of strength.
Dental crowns don't last forever and the tooth may need further attention. It's always best (healthwise) to save the tooth. A dentist may be able to re-install a crown that fell out.Last edited on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 22:23 by
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"Once the immune system becomes weakened it is unable to clear mercury, and so the heavy metals build up in the body. I doubt they reach toxic levels though. And certainly we have seen that these diseases are caused by the plethora of metagenomic pathogens, not by something simple like heavy metals. Folk recover on the MP while their mouths are still full of mercury amalgam)"
Replacing my own mercury fillings (during the 1990s) made absolutely no difference whatsoever to my own disease progression. The Th1 diseases are caused by antibiotic-resistant bacteria, not by mercury."
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When you lose a inlay/onlay rest there is usually 2nd caries decay around margins. The dentist will reprep tooth and place new rest; your choices are amalgam, composite, cast restorations ie gold,noble, ceramic. If you are concerned with mercury/money the composite is a good choice. The composite is more expensive, (than amalgam), less durable but will match your tooth color/shade. The dentist looking in your mouth is the best source of advice.
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A bad taste in the mouth and other oral symptoms are symptoms of Th1 disease and immunopathology.
"A mouthwash with Cetylpyridinium Chloride (CPC) disinfectant can reduce dental inflammation and pain. I suggest you get a mouthwash with Cetylpyridinium Chloride (and no FD&C Yellow #5 or Tartrazine, E103) in it and your mouth should start feeling better.
..Trevor..
Recommended OTC products with Cetylpyridinium Chloride (CPC):
Crest Pro-Health 0.07% CPC, no alcohol
Viadent 0.05% CPC, 6.1% alcohol
Pro-Health Night No alcohol
UK: Oral-B Anti-Plaque Alcohol-Free Mouthwash . Could this information be added to the FAQ please (the brands available in other countries are listed)? Available in Boots and probably elsewhere too...~ Barbski
Not recommended:
Scope--even the blue version contains yellow dye #5 which acts as a preservative; 13% alcohol
Cepacol has 14% alcohol. 0.05% CPC and yellow dye #5
Listerine contains essential oils & alcohol, no CPC
ACT is a fluoride rinse to prevent cavities, no CPC
Medicated mouthwashes
Medicated mouthwashes are usually prescribed by the dentist for specific conditions like gum infections, ulcers, or after gum surgery. These may contain Chlorhexidine Gluconate, having pronounced antiseptic properties. These inhibit the formation of plaque and calculus, thus helping to maintain oral health in those individuals having an excessive tendency to form plaque. These mouthwashes are to be used only for a short time, as prescribed by your dentist, as prolonged use may cause undesireable side effects. Trevor thinks that Chlorhexadine Gluconate is not as effective an antibacterial as Cetylpyridinium Chloride, but your mileage may vary.
Mechanical plaque control (toothbrushing and flossing) is necessary and not replaceable by mouthwashes. Physical plaque control remains the most important goal in the prevention of dental diseases and maintenance of oral health.
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The J&J tartar control floss is the scotch-brite-type version of dental floss, and will eventually scrape the tooth clean, though sometimes it just files a sharp edge on the tartar which will cut most any floss. ~Chris
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check with the latest guidelines on their use in dentistry with the American Dental Association. There have been BIG chages in who they say should get antibiotics.
From their website:
The guidelines say patients who have taken prophylactic antibiotics routinely in the past but no longer need them include people with:
- mitral valve prolapse
- rheumatic heart disease
- bicuspid valve disease
- calcified aortic stenosis
- congenital heart conditions such as ventricular septal defect, atrial septal defect and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
The new guidelines are aimed at patients who would have the greatest danger of a bad outcome if they developed a heart infection.
Preventive antibiotics prior to a dental procedure are advised for patients with:
- artificial heart valves
- a history of infective endocarditis
- certain specific, serious congenital (present from birth) heart conditions, including
- unrepaired or incompletely repaired cyanotic congenital heart disease, including those with palliative shunts and conduits
- a completely repaired congenital heart defect with prosthetic material or device, whether placed by surgery or by catheter intervention, during the first six months after the procedure
- any repaired congenital heart defect with residual defect at the site or adjacent to the site of a prosthetic patch or a prosthetic device
- a cardiac transplant that develops a problem in a heart valve.
The new recommendations apply to many dental procedures, including teeth cleaning and extractions. Patients with congenital heart disease can have complicated circumstances. They should check with their cardiologist if there is any question at all as to the category that best fits their needs.
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"Having worked in close association with dentists for over 8 years, I may be able to provide you with some insights. The only reason for prophylatic antibiotics is if one has a cardiac valve problem OF SIGNIFICANCE. Otherwise there is no need.
For what reason do you require prophylactic antibiotics? There really are very few true indications for the use of antibiotics in dental procedures but are commonly recommended by dentists for medical legal reasons. There is always a stirring up of bacteria with any dental interventions. I always got sick after dental cleaning before I started treating the true underlying problems. But few conditions require the use of pre dental antibiotics.
There is no need for prophylactic antibiotics for an extraction, so unless infected or have cardiac problems requiring antibiotics, you can safely await for any possible infection and treat accordingly afterwards if needed. ~G. Blaney, MD
American Heart Association guideline on antibiotic prophylaxis
2007 - NEW AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION GUIDELINES: Antibiotic Prophylaxis Only for People at HIGH Risk of Cardiac Infection
In the past, the American Heart Association has published antibiotic prophylaxis guidelines for dental procedures for people at high risk of cardiac infection. The American Heart Association recently revised their guidelines that had been in effect since 1997, as reported by the American Dental Association. The AHA now believes use of antibiotics prior to dental care may not work as intended (to prevent infective endocarditis) and should be reserved for the highest-risk patients.
The American Heart Association's new guidelines about antibiotic prophylaxis, which are available on their website - are something you may want to discuss with your dentist.
The AHA published a press release April 19, 2007, explaining their new recommendations. Notice their mention of "allergic reactions" to antibiotics that may be what we've explained as immunopathological response.
They no longer recommend the practice of giving patients antibiotics prior to a dental procedure EXCEPT for patients with the highest risk of adverse outcomes resulting from Bacterial Endocarditis. This is something you will no doubt want to discuss with your dentist or physician.
Avelox is effective for dental use
"Most dentists use the American Heart Association's guidelines and use the amoxicilin or clindamycin. A few dentists in Europe think that Avelox is a better choice for patients who can not use amoxicillin. The benefit of this drug (Avelox), a fluoroquinolone, is that you could continue on the Benicar. Avelox can be used without worrying about the Benicar, but dentists may worry about anything new." ~P.B, RN
If another antibiotic is required
If your doctor or dentist insists that you take a different antibiotic for prophylaxis before dental work or cleaning, ask him/her if you can postpone the work until you have progressed further on the protocol. This will give your teeth a chance to heal and eliminate stopping the MP in the early stages when you are still learning to manage the MP meds or stabilizing your symptoms. And when your bacterial load is lower, an antibiotic challenge will be less of a threat.
If your dentist is concerned and wants you to take an antibiotic prior to a procedure, you can ask if the current MP antibiotics you are taking would suffice to prevent infection.
If you have an acute oral infection, you may need to take an antibiotic. Ask if the current MP antibiotics you are taking would suffice to treat this infection.
If you must take a non-MP antibiotic, see I need to take a different antibiotic for awhile. What should I do?
Staying on Benicar is the correct approach along with either clindamycin or Avelox (fluoroquinolone) just at lower dose than recommended by dentist, which is just as effective and less likely to cause marked immunopathology as levels decay." ~Greg Blaney, MD
Moderator's note of caution: Do not take prophylactic clindamycin unless you have taken it before (with Benicar) so you know how you might react to it.
Benicar
It is advantageous to continue the Benicar blockade. It's palliative effect will help reduce inflammatory symptoms.
Epinephrine
See I need to have surgery/dental work. What should I know about anesthesia and the MP?
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Often, canker sores occur when we are under stress or run down. and often the nearby glands will swell.
-Reducing your immune response may help,
-see recommended mouthwash
-using and or applying a mild toothpaste, like a kid's toothpaste or Sensodyne may also be a help.
-Probiotics may or may not be helpful. (suggestion: When suffering from a canker sore, it is best to take powdered Probiotics (you could empty the capsule or use yogurt), which begin working in the mouth immediately. Before swallowing, swish the liquid in your mouth a few seconds.)
-see Tools to check: << please check if you need to make adjustments in any area.
If you are concerned do not hesitate to contact your Dentist or Pharmacist or Dr re further treatment. also. Rest is a very important part of managing and healing.. By being pushed to the limit of tolerable herxing our body is working to capacity.
-If you need further temporary relief of your symptoms contact your doctor or pharmacist for advice about topical medications to apply to relieve intolerable symptoms. includes PAIN CONTROL
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I have used alum all my life to abort canker sores, and it really shortens their lifespan in my experience. I have had a few outbreaks on the MP and the alum helped. I just rub the solid crystal on the lesion. Tastes terrible and hurts, but then the pain goes down. You may only be able to find the powdered alum. In the old days all drug stores and pharmacists would carry the large crystals.
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Sensodyne toothpaste I have had root treatment myself and to settle it I used to put a lump of Sensodyne on and around the tooth often until it would settle it, might be worth a try. ~Marion
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Anti-inflammatory / anti-bacterial mouth gel helped ease Matt's gums. It is called "Difflam mouth gel" and contained the cetylpyridium chloride that Trevor recommended (1 mg/g). It's use is not recommended for longer than 7 days. ~Robyno
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Sydney Chris: 2 toothpastes that are sympathetic to mouth ulcers.. CEDEL and SOULS (...the chemist, own brand).
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Tickbite Greg: New Method For Healing Canker Sores
http://www.dentist.net/cankermelts.asp
Topical licorice root extract seems okay since the amount of herb absorbed should be minimal. We do not recommend the use of oral ingested licorice root extract.
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Many of us with Th1 disease have experienced what you called "calcification" in the teeth. There are other names for this phenomenon: dental stones and pulp stones, for example.
The center of the tooth, the pulp, is normally the softest part of the tooth. The pulp contains nerves and blood vessels that nourish the tooth. Chronic inflammation there, called pulpitis, can result in pulp stones. The stones can grow so large they fill most of the pulp chamber. These can prove quite challenging when the dentist or endodontist must remove them in performing root canal therapy. They have to successfully remove the stones from the center of the tooth without cracking the tooth.
As you know, this is consistent with Th1 inflammation and elevated levels of Hormone D/1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D: it precipitates calcium resorption from bones/teeth and deposition in soft tissues.
Dentists may be somewhat puzzled by cases of dental stones in people with Th1 inflammation, since no obvious trauma or infection may be apparent. The teeth involved may be fairly pristine teeth with little/no caries or fillings. Once you explain, you may find your dental professional already understands the relationship of chronic inflammation and elevated 1,25-D to pulp stones.
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A top quality ultrasonic toothbrush works really well, and a mouthwash with Cetylpyridinium Chloride disinfectant is much better than toothpaste.
Professional cleaning and polishing
I've had problems after routine cleaning and polishing treatments. I've had terrible flu - achy all over - symptoms which began within 12 hours of my office visit, and irritation in my mouth. Now I found this article: "Polishing-paste-induced silica granuloma of the gingiva" which says polishing paste itself can be a problem. ~Belinda
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Gingivitis is a bacterial infection and presumably may therefore cause granulatomous inflammation. Even my dentist was puzzled by the "abscess" that has come on gone around a frontal crown for 15 years! Abscesses don't recede (he said). But maybe if it were sarcoid granulatomous inflammation from a bacterial infection it would ebb and flow. ..Trevor..
Dental Placque
Dental Plaque is a sticky film of mucus and bacteria which collects around and between teeth. Accumulation of dental plaque is the major cause of tooth decay, gum or periodontal disease (gingivitis).
Dental plaque is exactly the sort of biofilm bacterial colonies you are trying to kill off. If you have a weakness in this area, due to a reduction of saliva, you will need to be extra-vigilent with frequent oral hygiene.
The amount or rate of dental plaque formation will not cause periodonal disease as long as you have the plaque removed regularly. Plaque is hard to see because it is whitish colored, like teeth. Disclosing tablets or an ultraviolet plaque light can show you if you are removing plaque effectively to prevent gingivitis.
Periodontal disease is a risk factor for atherosclerosis. Atherosclerosis involves deposits (also called plaque) of fatty material on the inner lining of an arterial wall. Gingivitis (inflamed gums caused by a buildup of dental plaque) may coorelate with the development of plaques in the arteries (atherosclerosis).
The MP is not the cause of increased dental plaque but it is the answer to cardiovascular disease prevention. The primary concern should be eliminating intracellular bacteria that trigger inflammation which is strongly implicated in atherosclerosis.
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In fact, I had a problematic tooth, constant low grade swelling which all dentists I saw said could be an issue but to wait and see. After being in phase 2 for a couple of months during which it would get painful for periods, it now has no swelling and my gums have been in the best condition in my life. ~G.Blaney, MD
I too, like your husband have had very bad issues with what was diagnosed as periodontal disease. This was right at the same time as my diagnosis for Sarc, imagine that. I ended up having gum surgery which I wish I wouldn't have had...but that was before I got on the MP. The gum surgery resulted in a biopsy that showed oral sarcoidosis (and an oral surgeon told me that to someone not looking for Sarc as I had told my dentist about it ahead of time, it would have just looked like gum disease). As it turns out, shortly after gum surgery, I convinced my Rheumy at the time to NOT do another round or prednisone, but treat me with at least minocycline (since he wouldn't go for the benicar part of the MP). My results were that the minocycline by itself really helped my gum issues. I suspect if I had just gone on minocycline, without the treatment, it would have improved the chance to save my gums. However, to totally cure the TH1 disease in the gum tissue, I believe one has to go on the MP.
My Rheumy had me do 100MG 2X per day...after figuring out that i needed to "pulse" the mino, I did so at 100 mg QOD. That actually started me herxing and convinced me that the MP was the way to go. Another 16 months and I finally swirched docs and joined the MP (18 months ago). Too bad for my poor gums....I will lose at least 4 teeth where the gums were cut away so much the exposed roots are as large as the tooth themselves. ~Robertrr
Also, I no longer produce tartar at the rate I did previously. I am confident that many of these chronically infected root canal teeth will not need to be extracted after adequate treatment of the Th1 condition and that any that are truly a problem will blow up and obviously be extracted at that time. ~G.Blaney, MD
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I never gave up dental cleanings, but I did work with my hygenist and dentist to implement some changes in how we did things. Here's what we did a few years ago:
1. They know I will wear my NoIR glasses in the office. The treatment rooms have high windows that allow bright sunshine to flood the room so they can work, and sometimes that worklight shines directly at my eyes. Closing my eyes wasn't enough - so the NoIRs stay on my face.
2. We do not rely on a device to remove saliva and debris from cleaning or other procedures. I let the hygenist have the suction thing in my mouth, but the hygenist or assistant sprays my mouth with water and gives me a small cup so I can spit. (My dentist's set-up doesn't have the old-fashioned water dispenser into a cup by the chair.) In the past, too much "stuff" either went down my throat or stayed in my mouth too long from relying solely on suction. I used to end up sick with achy-flu-like symptoms after each dental visit, and this change helped a lot.
3. The hygenist concentrates on scraping, and is careful with polishing. Some of those polishing pastes contain ingredients that can irritate my gums, and once I let them know that, they were careful. You may have to remind them of any or all of these accommodations for you.
About four years ago, I was very weak when I went to the dentist. I was on supplemental oxygen and I would "nod off" in the chair. Afterward, it would take a few days to recover from the outing, and I felt pretty bad. My dentist was so happy to see me no longer on supplemental oxygen and these changes were no problem.
Now, my dentist always notices how healthy my gums are. He is impressed that my treatment has included minocycline, a drug he's found quite useful. ~Belinda
I had a dental appointment earlier this week. I wore my 2% NOIRS, but I exchanged them for a sleeping mask (the type worn on airplanes) while I was in the dentist's chair. The mask blocked all light to the eyes and kept my NOIRS safe from any grit, dust, etc., from the drilling. ~Larry
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Why do I need to ask for a local anesthetic without epinephrine? (Your dentist and surgeon need to know this)
I need to have surgery. What should I know about anesthesia and the Marshall Protocol?
Laser (no drill) dentistry (and in most cases NO anesthesia) may be available in your area: Using Waterlase http://www.biolase.com/products.html
I.V sedation is a option with Demerol or morphine used with versed or propofol. Oral dosing with Valium and a pain killer like percocet or dilaudid might be adequate too.
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I had 4 fillings replaced (with laser dentistry) without any anesthesia! It was amazing. No pain and no fat lip! No eating restrictions afterward. ~JaniceW
My experience with the lidocaine without the epi is that it takes perhaps three times the amount of infiltrate, and then you have to wait a half hour. This is outside the realm of most dentist's experience.
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Brushing your teeth could reduce the risk of having a stroke or heart attack, a study has suggested.
A team from Columbia University found people with gum disease were more likely to suffer from atherosclerosis - a narrowing of blood vessels.
The condition can precede a stroke or heart attack.
The British Dental Association said the research, published in the journal Circulation underlined the importance of looking after dental health.
Taking care of your oral health could very well have a significant impact on your cardiovascular health
Dr Moïse Desvarieux, Columbia University
The Columbia researchers looked at levels of bacteria in the mouths of 657 people who had no history of stroke or myocardial infarction (heart attack).
The researchers also measured the thickness of the subjects' carotid artery, which carries blood from the heart to the brain, and which is measured to identify atherosclerosis.
It was found that those people who had a higher level of the specific bacteria that causes gum (periodontal) disease also had an increased carotid artery thickness, even after taking other cardiovascular risk factors into account.
The team also found that the link with atherosclerosis only existed for the bacteria which was known to cause gum disease, and not other bacteria found in the mouth.
'Stronger link'
The researchers said the explanation may be that this bacteria migrates throughout the body via the bloodstream and stimulates the immune system, causing inflammation that results in the clogging of arteries.
The link between poor dental health and poor vascular health has been suggested before.
But Dr Moïse Desvarieux, of Columbia University Medical Center's Mailman School of Public Health, who led the study, said: "This is the most direct evidence yet that gum disease may lead to stroke or cardiovascular disease.
"And because gum infections are preventable and treatable, taking care of your oral health could very well have a significant impact on your cardiovascular health."
He added: "We will continue to study these participants to determine if atherosclerosis continues over time and is definitely associated with periodontal disease."
Judy O'Sullivan, medical spokesperson for the British Heart Foundation said: "Inflammation may prove to be a key factor in the development of coronary heart disease.
"However, it may be too simplistic to say that periodontal infection alone is the issue of concern rather than inflammation in general, as inflammation is often associated with other risk factors for coronary heart disease, such as smoking, poor diet and low income."
She added: "We welcome studies which add evidence to this growing area of research and we would encourage people to follow a healthy lifestyle to reduce their risk of heart disease.
"This includes maintaining healthy teeth and gums as well as not smoking, taking regular physical activity and enjoying a balanced diet."
A spokesperson for the British Dental Association added: "A number of studies in the past have suggested a link between gum disease and heart disease and this research would seem to strengthen that link.
"It also underlines the importance of brushing twice a day with a fluoride toothpaste to reduce the risk of gum disease and improve overall dental health."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/4243893.stm
Published: 2005/02/08 01:00:05 GMT
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